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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:57 am 
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In amongst the numerous painting and campaign threads, black powder and pike and shotte have come up a few times. As a few people had expressed interest I thought I'd mention my plans in case that helped - other plans are available.

I'll start with p&s as that's simpler in scope. My project started at warwick club with Andy/doc's exhaustive 28mm collection. Myself and tom then decided to also build a 28mm army as the warlord plastics made it plausible - this has taken so long that p&s wasn't even published at this point. With Rayner also building a force I now have 2 reasons to to get on with it. I expect to have a single playable force by may/june. This being roughly 3-4 units of foot 2 shoote wings + musket block each. About 4 units of horse (6 models each) and 2 guns. P&S is 'easier' because basically we'll just be uding it for the english civil war, plus both armies look largely the same so easy to play anyone!


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:11 am 
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Black powder - this covers 1700-1900, so more projects can stem from it. We have used for 15mm american civil war with some success, although it needs some house rules for terrain.
If people were interested in having a dabble there are 3 things that might be of interest. 1. 6mm war of spanish succession - this suits the rules very well and 6mm has the advantages of - cheap army, smaller table, big battles are easy and look amazing. Good sized starter army from baccus is about £30, and another couple of packs could give you something truly large scale. Option 2 is along very similar lines; 6mm napoleonics. We got the startrs for this some time ago then it stalled but back on the painting table due mostly to project 3. Speaking of which...
3 - one area of gaming I've always longed to dabble in is napoleonics. After reading a magazine article I floated the idea at the Warwick club of a large joint project - to jointly build an army for a huge multiplayer game - in 28mm. This would be for May 2015, giving large timescale to research, buy, paint. We'd book a day and unleash a 18'×10' monster of a game. We could play smaller games in the build up as our armies assembled and we'd each be left with a usable bp army for the future.


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This message deleted by phone - can't be bothered re-typing just now!
Try again: the 6mm napoleonics revival is predominantly due to the idea of roadtesting the big 28mm scenario/rules in advance to iron out issues - but it'll be a great game in itself.
None of the above is a sales pitch, I'll be doing all these things anyway, but happy to chat with anyone interested and head over on the odd non bb night for a game. The 28mm Napoleonic refight is a significant undertaking and a commitment to the project but we have room for a player on each side still should it interest you in the coming weeks (1813 german campaign, so french, prussian, russian, Austrians; each force is currently looking being 2-3 balck powder brigades in strength - hence the long deadline!)
With this being decidedly non-skirmish then bashing out 2 armies for demos is no easy feat. However I should be able to rustle up something in 6mm shortly for anyone wanting to see how it all works.
That's quite enough for now.


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I am interested in all this.

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Pike and Shotte, Civil War gets my vote, due to living in the area and it just interests me more.

Happy to try either though :D

A massive game would look amazing.

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Trying pike a shotte won't be doable until myself and Rayner get our armies sorted. In the meantime you could try a taster of black powder, which shares the same root mechanics.
Ideal starting point for ECW is the Warlord Battalia box-set, which was RRP of £60, but if you snout about can find cheaper. I also base my troops 5 to a 60x40 base, which still looks good (especially the big Renegade ones) and saves you a few guys. You'll probably want about 4 battalia - which are 20/24 musket and 10/12 command/pike each. Plus 4+ units of cavalry @ 6 figures each (the book says do them 2 deep but that seems needless).
As a man I don't recall getting excited by large amounts of painting, I recommend the army painter colour primers to save you some time!
They do however look fantastic based up with flags - the King's Guard are awaiting flags before photo update soon.


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Have been looking at that

http://store.warlordgames.com/collectio ... r-battalia

and

http://store.warlordgames.com/collectio ... ng-country

as you get the rule book

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Couple of the battalia boxes would give you a really good sized army; and one is a very good starting point - probably slightly more horse than you need but they're such good value. They were £60, but sadly I think they realised that was exceptional value for 100+ models! Online retailers will normally do 10% off, or if you happen to be at salute you'd probably do similar - think rayner picked up a great deal on e-bay.

--Also worth looking at sites who haven't raised prices in line with Warlord yet, £54 or £60 a good discount on new rrp.


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Yeah I picked one up on ebay for just over 40 quid. I now have 2 boxes plus extras. Obviously Steve you are welcome to have those models that you gave me back as its near equal to a battalia just with out the same amount of horses.

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pike-Shotte-Sta ... and+shotte

get it!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Pike-Shotte-Bat ... and+shotte

both are better value than the king country set.

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No thanks mate.

Its all good. They are nice metal figures and deserve to be painted nicely, which means not by me :lots of love: :lots of love:

Plastic is easier.

The battalia box looks great but I might also get the other box as that is alos great value and you get the rulebook.

Pike and shotte as a campaign would also be a good way to learn and get into the game. Starting with a few models and building up. This will be my last new game 8)

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That rule book has a different cover to the one I have been looking at. Has a new updated version come out ?

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I am led to believe they are the same. Although I have the one you know of.

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The amazon cover is nonsense. They stole a preview layout and posted in order to generate pre-orders months before warlord finalised the cover. The reviews suggest it's the proper book.


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Sweeeeeet

Thank you, will probably order a battalia box and the starter to get the book. No idea of points or anything, its just all about the shiny new things :D

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